tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28605099.post3412289321085598395..comments2023-10-24T07:03:42.942-05:00Comments on vtmbottomline: UNITY VERSES UNIFORMITYPaul Burlesonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17021178307705707423noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28605099.post-25910798164994388782012-03-11T20:15:21.332-05:002012-03-11T20:15:21.332-05:00Rev. Burleson, I posted the above comment on the w...Rev. Burleson, I posted the above comment on the wrong post, but for some reason Google won't let me delete it! So sorry. Can you oblige?Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28605099.post-19271600635921194212012-03-11T19:56:02.284-05:002012-03-11T19:56:02.284-05:00Rev. Burleson, I enjoyed this very much! I think ...Rev. Burleson, I enjoyed this very much! I think you're so right that the New Covenant just isn't like the Old in terms of what 2 Cor. 5:16 calls "recognizing no one any longer according to the flesh."<br /><br />I do differ with you on a couple of points. First is about the Fall, and that part translated "your desire shall be for him." I don't think this has to do with wanting to be in charge so much as wanting to possess. As you may know, the word used there literally means "to turn towards." In the other two uses of the word (once to Cain in Genesis: "Sin is crouching at the door and it's desire is for you; and once in the Song of Solomon: "My desire is for you") I think the idea is similar. It's a fine shading of meaning between sin wanting to control and sin wanting to possess-- but I think the passage is saying sin desires Cain's <i>person</i>; ie. to possess him. I think translating the word this way more accurately reflects that there is a difference between the woman's inclination after the Fall, and the man's. He desires to rule her; she "turns towards" him instead towards God, wanting to possess him. It doesn't say the woman will "desire to control" the man-- it simply says she will desire <i>him</i>-- that is, his person.<br /><br />In the Song, the desire to possess is part of the nature of romantic love-- which can be good when kept under control of the reason, but that text is also full of warnings like "love is as strong as death; jealousy is as severe as the grave" (8:6)<br /><br />In any case, I have seen this idea that the woman wants to control the man used as a reason for a woman's every motive being suspected as a manipulative attempt to control. And being a woman myself, I really don't think that's what's going on with most women, even in their fallen nature.Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28605099.post-64809871346145716722012-03-04T00:11:58.268-06:002012-03-04T00:11:58.268-06:00Paul,
“Unity combines and includes; uniformity co...Paul,<br /><br />“Unity combines and includes; uniformity confines and excludes.”<br /><br />“The office of pastor is limited to men…” (2000 BF&M) <br /><br />Sort of self explanatory; huh?<br /> <br />A couple of years ago, your son wrote:<br /><br />“One of the traits of human behavior I’ve observed over the years is that when things don’t go well for us, we have a tendency to blame other individuals, other circumstances, and other events for our failure, rather than taking responsibility and identifying the problem within us. There’s something refreshing about a person or and organization that is performing poorly and simply says, “We are not very good right now. That doesn’t mean we can’t get better. It just means that unless things change, we will never fulfill our mission.”<br /><br />He also quoted Albert Einstein, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while each time expecting different results.”<br /><br />A church may try ‘change’ for three months. The three months go to six, and then a year, and then many years with the same failing results. When does it become necessary to change from a change?Rex Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976501582240117188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28605099.post-20589101325776303612012-03-01T14:18:52.413-06:002012-03-01T14:18:52.413-06:00Aussie J,
I pastored that church! ;)Aussie J,<br /><br />I pastored that church! ;)Paul Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17021178307705707423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28605099.post-48343733427633827602012-03-01T13:42:19.730-06:002012-03-01T13:42:19.730-06:00Paul,
Such an important issue, and one which is h...Paul,<br /><br />Such an important issue, and one which is hard to address, especially in the parochial church scene in this country.<br /><br />I naively tried to work towards dealing with the matter in the first Baptist church I ministered in. Problem was I hadn't realized how much they believed that involvement with other churches would pollute the local Baptists.Aussie Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16199918171163666399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28605099.post-57261523987793083972012-03-01T12:52:45.318-06:002012-03-01T12:52:45.318-06:00Gary,
Thanks for stopping by AND for commenting.
...Gary,<br /><br />Thanks for stopping by AND for commenting.<br /><br /> I'm going to try and incorporate them in my next post about attitudes that are essential to unity.Paul Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17021178307705707423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28605099.post-10913138085783548722012-03-01T12:41:04.204-06:002012-03-01T12:41:04.204-06:00Great thoughts, Paul, on the significant contrasts...Great thoughts, Paul, on the significant contrasts between unity and uniformity.Gary Snowdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10157967748058707819noreply@blogger.com